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Post by TheBlackStones on Jun 7, 2011 22:10:30 GMT -5
They have their conference, and 0 Wii things talked about. When they could have shown some support for Xenoblade, The Last Story, and heck, surprised announcement that they would release Pandora's Tower here too!
But no, comes and goes with a focus on 3DS and new console. Okay, that's fine I guess because they want to showcase their new stuff.
Well, Developers Roundtable comes and goes and Nintendo says that it's gonna focus on 3DS and Wii. What do we see? Nonstop 3DS talk and Zelda: Skyward Sword.
That's it.
I'm just getting so fed up with Nintendo. They talk constantly about wanting to appeal to the "hardcore" market but they NEVER FUCKING SHOW IT. All they constantly do is remake their established franchises going "Hey look, we're totally down with you" and constantly shit all over games like Xenoblade, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Another Code: R and various others by straight up ignoring them or relegating them to essentially background noise.
If Nintendo wants to prove to me that they indeed want my dollars. They should show it. Promote those games that aren't Mario/Zelda/Established Franchise and give me something that shows your serious about wanting my support.
I'm a Nintendo fan at heart, my first console was a NES and I've had every home Nintendo system released since. Hell, I've been a staunch defender of the Wii claiming constantly that it's very much worth playing. These days though, it just gets harder and harder when Nintendo just seems like they honestly don't give a shit about anyone not buying Mario or Zelda. It's times like this where I just wish my favourite dev team wasn't bought out by them. So I could actually PLAY their games. I'm becoming a disillusioned fan, and I sure hope Nintendo starts to prove to me soon that my faith wasn't misplaced.
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Post by MichaelVash7886 on Jun 7, 2011 22:36:45 GMT -5
The thing is E3 has changed. This is the most mainstream day of the year, talking about 3DS and Wii U makes the most sense as I'm guessing Wii U would be mentioned on the nightly news. Since E3 has become so big a lot of stuff gets buried beyond the press conference now. They did need a montage or two to show off some of their other games though.
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Post by TheBlackStones on Jun 7, 2011 22:53:13 GMT -5
Yes. But when you have a roundtable and state you are going to talk about the Wii. Only to talk about 1 game and that's it. You've failed. It's like publicly admitting you really don't care about anything else you have to offer.
Why does Nintendo even bother to hold onto the publishing for these games then? Partner up with Atlus or XSeed or something and let THEM bring out Xenoblade or The Last Story. I'm sure they'd do it. The point is, Nintendo is making a big stink that they trying to appeal to a more hardcore marker. But they're doing absolutely NOTHING to show it.
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Post by hainesdogg on Jun 9, 2011 8:08:34 GMT -5
I agree with you blackstones.
I'm pissed there is no mention of Xenoblade or Last Story even at their booth. I was sure that at least Xenoblade was a shoe in.
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Post by NeoFoxTrot on Jun 9, 2011 10:48:18 GMT -5
I was very disappointed when I saw NoA's upcoming releases for the rest of the year and not a single mention of Xenoblade or The Last Story.  |
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Post by Phoenix S117 on Jun 27, 2011 22:21:04 GMT -5
Xenoblade (under the original Japanese title Monado) is currently #1 on Amazon's Wii games list due to the efforts of Project Rainfall. That's sure to get Nintendo's attention. I am awaiting to see how they react. I would love to see this game come out here. |
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Post by mdsrocker on Jun 27, 2011 22:27:38 GMT -5
Many people will probably (and have as I've seen) try to use facts to prove you wrong on this, but really it just comes down to perception, Nintendo misses the ball on many seemingly basic things, but they often bring something nobody else brings, which I love.
Nintendo, like most companies, has successes and disappointments, they just seem to do both in pretty heavy extremes.
Although I loved their overall E3 performance (conference, roundtable, demoes), I know why some may have not liked it.
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Post by Manny-Calavera on Jun 28, 2011 12:09:05 GMT -5
I'm pissed at Nintendo because they launched Inazuma Eleven for the DS here in Europe in January, with very little publicity, in low numbers, and there are no plans to release Inazuma Eleven 2 and 3. I don't think Nintendo wants more money. I love Inazuma Eleven, i watched all the anime episodes and i'm following the new series, Inazuma Eleven GO.
So, please Nintendo, EUROPE WANT THE OTHER GAMES IN THE SERIES.
I even tried to play Inazuma Eleven 2 in Japanese, but forget it. I can't even imagine what they tell me to do in the game.
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Post by Phoenix S117 on Jun 28, 2011 12:17:29 GMT -5
I think the reason why it's getting so much attention now with Xenoblade is that they showed it at E3 2008 and then nothing ever happened with it. And now, it's being released in Europe, which means it's in English (!) but still no word on a stateside (and Canada) release.
Personally for me, I still love Nintendo handhelds and software, but there is always some detracting factor with every home console they make. The Gamecube was probably the closest to normal they had, but the use of the proprietary discs meant that developers sometimes had to take things out or resort to having a game with two discs in order to fit as much information as goes on a normal DVD.
I'm not saying we need three identical consoles; they don't need to be on the same page, but it would be nice if Nintendo was at least in the same book.
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Post by TheBlackStones on Jun 29, 2011 21:00:30 GMT -5
Xenoblade (under the original Japanese title Monado) is currently #1 on Amazon's Wii games list due to the efforts of Project Rainfall. That's sure to get Nintendo's attention. I am awaiting to see how they react. I would love to see this game come out here. Yup. Nintendo's response was pretty much a "Yeah, we don't give a shit" response like I thought it would be. As someone who's always gotten a Nintendo console at launch since the SNES. I can easily say I'll be passing on the Wii-U when it comes out. Maybe pick it up when it drops in price or something. I really don't care about Nintendo's franchises and if they don't care about releasing the games I actually want, I don't care about supporting them as much as I used too. |
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Post by Phoenix S117 on Jun 29, 2011 21:42:35 GMT -5
Ugh, I feel you on that.
I have been incredibly disappointed by the Wii and this did nothing to improve that. I love Nintendo games but I refuse to get a Wii U just for Nintendo games, especially since a lot of them aren't even as good as they were in previous generations (I'm looking at you Twilight Princess).
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Post by hainesdogg on Jun 30, 2011 0:14:45 GMT -5
This whole situation about Xenoblade, Last Story, and Nintendo of America has just left a bad taste in my mouth.
Now they could turn around in their fall summit meeting they usually have and announce one or more of these game for a Spring release but I'm not going to hold my breath.
It really boggles my mind that they could see people pre-ordering this game and still go "yeah we have no plans for that release." Why leave that money on the table?
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Post by teylix on Jun 30, 2011 9:29:19 GMT -5
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Post by Phoenix S117 on Jun 30, 2011 10:13:03 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out how they think the Wii U is going to appeal to "core" gamers considering the track record the Wii has.
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Post by NeoFoxTrot on Jun 30, 2011 10:25:51 GMT -5
Yeah, after reading NoA's latest response to the overwhelmingly awesome attempts to bring Mondao over to the states, I can't help but feel like their executives are completely out of touch with today's gamers. I mean, the Wii is winding down. Don't you think they would want to do everything they can to appeal to whatever fans they have left before the big marketing push for the Wii U? Ugh.  The guys over in Europe get it, why doesn't NoA?? Please tell me if I'm missing something here... |
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Post by nacthenud on Jun 30, 2011 18:13:06 GMT -5
Yeah, after reading NoA's latest response to the overwhelmingly awesome attempts to bring Mondao over to the states, I can't help but feel like their executives are completely out of touch with today's gamers. I mean, the Wii is winding down. Don't you think they would want to do everything they can to appeal to whatever fans they have left before the big marketing push for the Wii U? Ugh. The guys over in Europe get it, why doesn't NoA?? Please tell me if I'm missing something here... I imagine Reggie would say that while they'd love to bring these titles over, these things take time and resources to do and there are only so many things they can work on. They're currently choosing to focus their efforts on other projects, both announced and unannounced, that they feel will generate more value for time and effort to their consumer base than bringing over these three "niche" titles. They would likely be otherwise correct in that assessment, but what they're missing is the potential badwill that will be created and propogated amongst their most vocal fans from this. |
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Post by Phoenix S117 on Jun 30, 2011 21:42:38 GMT -5
Nintendo makes piles and piles of money off of games such as Pokemon and all the party games on the Wii. Granted, I know that goes towards business expenses and R&D for other games, but if NIS and Atlus and other companies like that can make a profit from niche games, why couldn't Nintendo?
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Post by best3444 on Jul 1, 2011 9:19:40 GMT -5
I think the reason why it's getting so much attention now with Xenoblade is that they showed it at E3 2008 and then nothing ever happened with it. And now, it's being released in Europe, which means it's in English (!) but still no word on a stateside (and Canada) release. Personally for me, I still love Nintendo handhelds and software, but there is always some detracting factor with every home console they make. The Gamecube was probably the closest to normal they had, but the use of the proprietary discs meant that developers sometimes had to take things out or resort to having a game with two discs in order to fit as much information as goes on a normal DVD. I'm not saying we need three identical consoles; they don't need to be on the same page, but it would be nice if Nintendo was at least in the same book. Great points. I actually miss the GameCube, PS2, and Xbox days because they were all basically in the same playing field with their own strengths and weaknesses. This gen minus the money the Wii made Nintendo wasn't in the same league as the 360 and PS3. As we all know it's all about the money so I cannot blame them for throwing us a GameCube with a few motion control sticks making us feel like we are playing games differently when in my opinion it made playing their games worse. FUCK motion controls on all consoles! |
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Post by Phaseknox on Jul 1, 2011 10:40:12 GMT -5
The Wii U is going to fail because the casual gamers who bought the Wii couldn't care less about its better graphics and gimmicky tablet controller, and core gamers see it as just an Xbox 360/PS3 with a gimmicky tablet controller. I gave up on Nintendo after the GameCube, and I won't care about them again unless they become a publisher.
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Post by rusty on Jul 1, 2011 12:09:35 GMT -5
Nintendo makes piles and piles of money off of games such as Pokemon and all the party games on the Wii. Granted, I know that goes towards business expenses and R&D for other games, but if NIS and Atlus and other companies like that can make a profit from niche games, why couldn't Nintendo? simple because instead of focusing on something where they can make profit, they will rather focus on something that allows them to make MORE profit! |
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Post by Phoenix S117 on Jul 1, 2011 12:27:05 GMT -5
The Wii U is going to fail because the casual gamers who bought the Wii couldn't care less about its better graphics and gimmicky tablet controller, and core gamers see it as just an Xbox 360/PS3 with a gimmickly tablet controller. I gave up on Nintendo after the GameCube, and I won't care about them again unless they become a publisher. Yeah that's what I am thinking as well. The only Nintendo franchise I really love is Zelda so I really don't feel like I will miss much by passing up on the Wii U. That said, I would love to be able to buy one less system every generation if Nintendo games ended up on other consoles. |
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Post by best3444 on Jul 1, 2011 13:09:53 GMT -5
;D You guys honestly think the Wii U is going to fail! OMG no...They are riding high on a wave and the ride will not end anytime soon because the casual audience keeps eating their shit up like breakfast.
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Post by Phoenix S117 on Jul 1, 2011 13:45:04 GMT -5
You have a point - but on the other hand, if the Wii U is too expensive, then the casual gamers who bought the Wii this generation based on the price point may not pick up the Wii U. Unlike core gamers, there's not a brand loyalty that will compel them to buy a Wii U if the price point doesn't fit the casual market.
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Post by best3444 on Jul 1, 2011 14:28:46 GMT -5
You have a point - but on the other hand, if the Wii U is too expensive, then the casual gamers who bought the Wii this generation based on the price point may not pick up the Wii U. Unlike core gamers, there's not a brand loyalty that will compel them to buy a Wii U if the price point doesn't fit the casual market. Well when the Wii U is released the competitors are still going to be 360 and PS3....so in all actuality they will have a BIG advantage because from what I understand the tech will be better than the 360/PS3 (slightly maybe....) and it is still consider "Wii".... That is all the casuals need to see and I am sure the price point will be very reasonable so I am thinking it will be a HUGE success all over again like the Wii was. |
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Post by Phoenix S117 on Jul 1, 2011 14:43:13 GMT -5
True, but in that scenario, the PS3 and 360 will be the cheaper systems and if buying the cheaper console is the continuing trend, those systems will be more appealing. They will also have the advantage of being able to play DVDs (and blu-rays on the PS3) while the Wii U won't, which may be important to some casual buyers. Also, casuals won't care that the Wii U is more high tech because they don't care about tech. The Wii itself is a great example of this.
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