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Post by best3444 on Jul 1, 2011 15:46:14 GMT -5
True, but in that scenario, the PS3 and 360 will be the cheaper systems and if buying the cheaper console is the continuing trend, those systems will be more appealing. They will also have the advantage of being able to play DVDs (and blu-rays on the PS3) while the Wii U won't, which may be important to some casual buyers. Also, casuals won't care that the Wii U is more high tech because they don't care about tech. The Wii itself is a great example of this. No, no.....The people that own a Wii (millions) will by the Wii U and still view the 360/PS3 as the hardcore mature consoles and we will be at the same place we were when the Wii was released. Sure they don't care about tech but they are now super loyal to the Wii brand so it having better tech is only the cherry on the top. |
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Post by Phoenix S117 on Jul 1, 2011 17:23:55 GMT -5
Oh, ok. I see what you are saying. That doesn't make me feel any better about the Wii U, though. If people keep buying shovelware then it will keep appearing on the console. Also, if jrpgs are as dead as everyone says and Nintendo doesn't think they will make a profit stateside, then we will continue to NOT see them on Nintendo's home console. In which case, I intend to support whichever console gets the most quality jrpgs. On the other hand, if the Wii U got a real Tales game, I'd probably get it just for that game.  |
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Post by Keadil on Jul 1, 2011 22:17:53 GMT -5
Nintendo hasn't cared about the hardcore market in awhile. Let's be honest, we are still the ONLY reliable thing in this market, but Nintendo would rather focus on the fickle casual player. They can't cater to both markets no matter how much they want to; we just don't mix.
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Post by Phaseknox on Jul 2, 2011 10:45:52 GMT -5
The people that own a Wii (millions) will by the Wii U and still view the 360/PS3 as the hardcore mature consoles and we will be at the same place we were when the Wii was released. Sure they don't care about tech but they are now super loyal to the Wii brand so it having better tech is only the cherry on the top. I disagree. The Wii U is not the inexpensive, casual friendly, motion control console that the Wii was when it came out. Nintendo has some super loyal fans (aka fanboys), but the Wii itself doesn't. The majority of people who made the Wii an instant success are casual and non gamers, and going by how much Wii sales have slowed down over the past couple of years I highly doubt that the same people really care about the Wii U since very few of them are actual gamers that want a new console with better graphics and a tablet controller. Also, the Xbox 360 is not considered a "hardcore mature" console these days. Microsoft has turned it into an everybody console over the years, and with its low price point and the success of Kinect it's as much of a casual, family and non gamer friendly console as the Wii is. And with Microsoft rumored to be announcing a new console next year, core gamers aren't going to care about the Wii U as much if Microsoft is going to be releasing an even more powerful console soon. |
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Post by teylix on Jul 2, 2011 11:02:21 GMT -5
I agree with Phaseknox.
Wii U will still be successful though.
Nintendo does have a loyal fanbase but when it gets more and more expensive just to play mario and zelda for 100th time, even the hardcore base will start to wane. But let's be realistic here, while the Wii itself has little fan loyalty, they will still get a huge amount of casual gamers that will switch over to Wii-U eventually. People like to stick with what they know and if all you have ever known is the Wii, there's a good chance you'll just upgrade to the Wii-U for familiarity's sake.
It probably won't be as pronounced of a following as what sony and microsoft have now, but that's because of one big reason: THEY HAVE GREAT GAMES.
Nintendo has gotten really awful about their shovelware and 3rd party alienation. How many new IPs came out for the Wii that makes you want to play the next in the series? *Crickets* The fastest selling third party IP was... Just Dance.
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Post by teylix on Jul 2, 2011 19:52:42 GMT -5
pretty good article. sums up some of my thoughts that ive posted in this thread.
ive owned a NES, SNES, N64, GCN, Gameboy, and DS... and never once thought about getting a wii.
the few games that would interest me (the main 3 pandora's tower, xenoblade, and last story) are what would get me to purchase a wii/wii-u. Oh well.
My PS3 will keep me happy. I'll get to play the same games as wii-u without dealing with motion control crap and shelling out for a $300+ console. ill be sad to miss out on a high def zelda but one game will NOT convince me to buy it.
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Post by Maximus on Jul 2, 2011 21:13:46 GMT -5
My PS3 will keep me happy. I'll get to play the same games as wii-u without dealing with motion control crap and shelling out for a $300+ console. ill be sad to miss out on a high def zelda but one game will NOT convince me to buy it. I'm with you on that. If I do end up getting a Wii-U, it will probably be a christmas/birthday gift; no way in hell am I spending my own money on it, and same goes for the 3DS. |
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Post by Setharion on Jul 2, 2011 21:44:00 GMT -5
Im a sucker for Nintendo consoles , i must admit like for me i think i know what to expect from a Nintendo system these days and while its not my preferred console i enjoy the classic mario, zelda based games etc...so im sure ill buy it, may not be day 1 though. |
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Post by TheBlackStones on Jul 3, 2011 5:32:33 GMT -5
Gotta say. My feelings are pretty much like what was described in the article. I simply don't care about the Wii-U. I don't feel that Nintendo has any connection to its fans and doesn't give them the same treatment other companies do. Look at other companies these days. They're willing to take chances because of fan demand. Sega brought over Yakuza 3 because of fan demand. Namco Bandai decided to try with Tales of Graces for the PS3 because of fan demand. Atlus exists and is popular solely because of their fan interaction.
People don't badmouth these companies near as much as I'm seeing it from Nintendo because while they still make business decisions. They're constantly interacting and listening to their fans. Something I just don't see happening from Nintendo. I'm not getting a Wii-U at launch and won't until I see something I absolutely need for it. I simply can't muster the same enthusiasm for a Nintendo console anymore.
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Post by .aqpl3seeD on Jul 3, 2011 10:49:56 GMT -5
I imagine sometime down the road they'll will be released in NA if only as download via Wii U.
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Post by Phoenix S117 on Jul 3, 2011 11:00:53 GMT -5
There's a few other problems I felt that Nintendo had this generation. For one thing, they need to be more realistic with their price drops on first party games. Games staying full price for five years was something that actually happened and I really thought that was ridiculous. And thinking about it, I'm sure they pulled the same crap with Gamecube games. I've never been a big fan of Sony but they went down in price on their launch games and first party games in a reasonable time frame. Same with Microsoft. Also in comparison with Sony, Nintendo should still be supporting the Wii even though they have the Wii U coming out. Sony kept supporting the PS1 after the PS2 came out, and they kept supporting the PS2 after the PS3 came out. If people hadn't upgraded systems, it was ok because they still had games coming out for their system. Not so with the Wii. Once Zelda and Kirby are out, there's likely nothing but shovelware coming out while everyone waits for the Wii U. Somewhat in relation to Operation Rainfall, this editorial is pretty good. Highlights: |
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Post by Keadil on Jul 4, 2011 0:02:00 GMT -5
There's a few other problems I felt that Nintendo had this generation. For one thing, they need to be more realistic with their price drops on first party games. Games staying full price for five years was something that actually happened and I really thought that was ridiculous. And thinking about it, I'm sure they pulled the same crap with Gamecube games. I've never been a big fan of Sony but they went down in price on their launch games and first party games in a reasonable time frame. Same with Microsoft. Also in comparison with Sony, Nintendo should still be supporting the Wii even though they have the Wii U coming out. Sony kept supporting the PS1 after the PS2 came out, and they kept supporting the PS2 after the PS3 came out. If people hadn't upgraded systems, it was ok because they still had games coming out for their system. Not so with the Wii. Once Zelda and Kirby are out, there's likely nothing but shovelware coming out while everyone waits for the Wii U. Somewhat in relation to Operation Rainfall, this editorial is pretty good. Highlights: Nintendo is really bad about not dropping the price on first party games. They almost never drop the price. |
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Post by Phoenix S117 on Jul 4, 2011 11:33:10 GMT -5
And you know I think that hurts them in the long run, because people see the prices and probably end up getting inferior games because they want something cheaper. If a casual Wii Sports person saw Zelda at $50 and wasn't familiar with the franchise, what would be the reason to get that over some $20 shovelware game?
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Post by BuckFly on Jul 5, 2011 8:36:36 GMT -5
Is it really that expensive or labor intensive to bring games over to the States that are already being released in Europe?
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Post by .aqpl3seeD on Jul 5, 2011 9:09:01 GMT -5
I wonder if it really comes down to a single individual deciding what they don't port or if it's a team or board decision. Is it really Nintendo deciding not to or is it the devs? Both?
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Post by TheBlackStones on Jul 5, 2011 10:50:51 GMT -5
Is it really that expensive or labor intensive to bring games over to the States that are already being released in Europe? No. But there are things that could possibly complicate things that we wouldn't know about. probably have to pay to use the translation, as I'm sure the translators would want to see an extra cut for their translation being used in another country. Unless NoE has contracts about that sort of stuff specifically. Again, which we wouldn't know. NoA might just feel whatever they came up with wasn't adequate. I wonder if it really comes down to a single individual deciding what they don't port or if it's a team or board decision. Is it really Nintendo deciding not to or is it the devs? Both? If it was up to the devs they would have their game in every country it could be sold. They make more money that way. It is up to whoever publishes the game where it gets released. Also, if a dev is third party, it's possible no publisher wants to publish the game no matter how much they want a NA release. |
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Post by Maximus on Jul 5, 2011 11:38:30 GMT -5
There's a few other problems I felt that Nintendo had this generation. For one thing, they need to be more realistic with their price drops on first party games. Games staying full price for five years was something that actually happened and I really thought that was ridiculous. And thinking about it, I'm sure they pulled the same crap with Gamecube games. I've never been a big fan of Sony but they went down in price on their launch games and first party games in a reasonable time frame. Same with Microsoft. That's actually a really great point, and something that has bothered me for the longest time. It's almost like Nintendo is punishing its loyal customers: we "core" gamers never get a price drop on the games we want (Mario, Zelda, etc.), while the "casual" gamers seemingly get all the breaks. That's not to say you couldn't find some cheap, "core" games on the Wii -- I just grabbed No More Heroes 2 from Wal-Mart for $15 last week -- but these cheap games are typically third party. |
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Post by Phoenix S117 on Jul 5, 2011 16:47:40 GMT -5
Well not only that, but, especially at Walmarts, clearanced games are usually a store specific thing and not chain wide. The electronics department manager at my store puts games on clearance all the time, but if you go to another Walmart, they might be regular price.
On a related note, I would love to get Donkey Kong Country Returns and Super Mario Galaxy 2, but I am waiting for a price drop first.
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Post by Maximus on Jul 5, 2011 19:03:07 GMT -5
I just bought Super Mario Galaxy 2 off eBay for almost $40 because I know it's not coming down anytime soon. $20 off was enough to make me jump.
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Post by .aqpl3seeD on Jul 6, 2011 10:59:39 GMT -5
If it was up to the devs they would have their game in every country it could be sold. They make more money that way. It is up to whoever publishes the game where it gets released. Also, if a dev is third party, it's possible no publisher wants to publish the game no matter how much they want a NA release. I don't know if I agree with that. It's fundamentally easier to design a game to play on the PS3 and 360 versus the Wii because it's more economically practical by the fact that to a degree by developing for one you're developing for the other with modifications. The Wii is drastically different than it's competitors so it requires a focus for developing the game just for that one system. Add to that competing with Nintendo's developed titles and it's really telling how much the business is focused on generating revenue over putting in the time, effort and money in developing a great gaming experience. It's almost like it's own odd version of shovelware  |
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Post by best3444 on Jul 6, 2011 11:02:28 GMT -5
The people that own a Wii (millions) will by the Wii U and still view the 360/PS3 as the hardcore mature consoles and we will be at the same place we were when the Wii was released. Sure they don't care about tech but they are now super loyal to the Wii brand so it having better tech is only the cherry on the top. I disagree. The Wii U is not the inexpensive, casual friendly, motion control console that the Wii was when it came out. Nintendo has some super loyal fans (aka fanboys), but the Wii itself doesn't. The majority of people who made the Wii an instant success are casual and non gamers, and going by how much Wii sales have slowed down over the past couple of years I highly doubt that the same people really care about the Wii U since very few of them are actual gamers that want a new console with better graphics and a tablet controller. Also, the Xbox 360 is not considered a "hardcore mature" console these days. Microsoft has turned it into an everybody console over the years, and with its low price point and the success of Kinect it's as much of a casual, family and non gamer friendly console as the Wii is. And with Microsoft rumored to be announcing a new console next year, core gamers aren't going to care about the Wii U as much if Microsoft is going to be releasing an even more powerful console soon. I agree with you after some time thinking about it. Good points. |
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Post by BuckFly on Jul 6, 2011 11:30:01 GMT -5
May I please just quote everybody? This is a great thread. Honestly, it is not out of laziness; great points mentioned by you guys.  BTW, I have been losing my faith in MS for about a year and half, now. |
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Post by best3444 on Jul 6, 2011 15:32:08 GMT -5
^^^ How are you losing faith with MS? They are winding down this gen pretty nicely if you ask me and are really pushing kinect.
I think they are priming for the release of the next console next fall.
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Post by NeoFoxTrot on Jul 6, 2011 15:48:16 GMT -5
There is very little out for Kinect that makes it worth the price of admission (IMHO). If I hadn't got one for free, I sure as heck wouldn't buy one. Child of Eden stands as the lone game that has made me glad to own a Kinect.
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